*sighs* It is lame, and it's hard to believe that yet ANOTHER person is going to be brought back from the dead. Frankly, I've seriously lost my squee for this show. If there's no Nathan and I stop watching it, I think I'll just feel kind of relieved.
I actually said, out loud at the end, "Heroes, you're dead to me now."
I mean seriously? *Seriously*? Freakin' *Maya* gets to come back, but we lose *Nathan*? After a season where he barely got anything to do because we spent all that freakin' time with Maya and Alejandro?
Seriously! I am hoping that somehow Nathan won't really be dead. That would be such a waste of an interesting character. And a fascinating family dynamic. I guess I'm going to hold on to some fragile hope that Kring wouldn't be that stupid.
It seems really dumb. I'm hoping that Nathan will still be saved. Although that would be a lot of bringing people back from the dead. *sigh* I totally understand why you gave up!
It's incomprehensible to me, LaT! I keep trying to tell myself that Kring must understand which are the interesting characters and which are the ones that aren't working, but I don't actually have that much faith. I can NOT believe Maya survived and Nathan seemingly didn't. I really don't get it.
I'm actually really disappointed with season 2 of Heroes. Not enough Peter and Nathan, nicki is barely there, they killed off DL, the twins were super boring (and kind of stupid) and I have no clue what they did with Claire and the stalker boy. Just didn't work so great for me. Hiro's story was okay.
But tonight if Nathan is really dead then this show is probably over for me. The Nathan and Peter stuff was really the only part keeping my interest.
And on this episode I kept wanting to yell at peter to walk through the freaking wall! (I don't even think he tried)
LOL, I forgot Peter could walk through walls. I fucking HATE plot holes... sort of like, why didn't they just tranquilize peter when he was about to explode instead of trying to shoot him in the head? And (if Nathan is really dead), why wouldn't Peter just bring him to Claire and have her bring him back? Plot holes= suckiness. So much can be accomplished without implementing plot holes. It's called being clever... and the genre exceptions of science fiction and fantasy. Come ON, peeps
Heroes as a whole never really grabbed me - too many characters I didn't care about, too much general stupidity central to the plot (has Mohinder *ever* had a single good idea in his life?), and too much hyperpowering up a few characters and thereby unintentionally (?) sidelining others.
This season, they've managed to drop pretty much everything that I *did* like - such as the awesome Mr Bennet and his relationship with his daughter, the general awesomeness of Claire, Nathan, the kicky geek!team Hiro&Ando, and Ando (a sidekick essential to the Hiro plotlines who didn't have a singly superpower and was still indispensable).
I don't really like Claire too much anymore, which is a shame because I used to find her one of the few truly interesting, smart and sympathetic characters. Her boyfriend, I dislike heartily both as a character and as a plot device. Mr Bennet is also looking pretty bad. Ando is AWOL. Hiro is stuck doing... whatever (and I have the impression they got him away from Ando and threw him at a woman specifically to counter the idea that he and Ando might be an item - which I'd actually assumed was implicit canon). And in addition to boring stuff with characters I used to like that now just irritate me, there is even more ultra-boring stuff about characters I don't care a fig about.
*sigh*
It's just a pity, because in S1 I kept thinking that if they just did more with this plotline and this character and forgot about this and that other bit, it could really turn into a good show.
This show had so much potential, but it seemed like everytime there was an interesting dynamic between characters they moved the characters as far away from each other as they could. They really seemed determined to destroy any interesting pairings. I find myself not paying close attention anymore. It was an fascination idea for a show, but without interesting relationships between characters I can't get very invested.
I don't believe he's dead. I mean, he's related to two people who have super-healing blood, theoretically, and I have an awfully hard time believing they'd get rid of Nathan. On the other hand, they're building up a very disturbing pattern of ending every season with a Petrelli or two dying, which isn't very happy!
I think there's a possibility Nathan might not survive in part because of something I read from an interview with Tim Kring, which I won't go into in case you'd consider it too spoilery. But also, just in terms of storytelling, they ended the first season with a cliffhanger about whether Nathan would survive or not, and he did. Would they do the same thing again? And then, they've already saved so many people with blood. Aren't the writers going to feel like that's a cheat at some point?
On the other hand, you're right. It did look like a setup. Nathan practically had "assassinate me" tattooed on his head. And it would have been an interesting ploy for them to see how far the company (and, hey, their mother) was willing to go.
Maybe they'll surprise me, and Nathan survives because he was wearing a bulletproof vest! That would be so delightfully...normal. *g*
I keep thinking: Would they really bring yet another person back with the magic blood cocktail?
Today, though, my pet theory is that it was all a setup to test how far the company would go, and Nathan was actually wearing a bulletproof vest. That would just be so delightfully normal. :)
I have the same feeling about season two. The most confusing thing to me has been why they spent all that time last year building interesting relationships only to break them up this season. Maybe they could have done that with one pair. But we had Hiro & Ando, Nathan & Peter, Nikki & Micah, Claire & the Petrellis, Mohinder & Sylar all separated for most of the season. It just doesn't make any sense.
Today, I'm feeling more hopeful that Nathan survives. I'd love it if the whole press conference thing was a set up to see just how far the company/their mother would go. And Nathan was actually wearing a bulletproof vest! That would be so delightfully...normal.
I forgot about Peter walking through walls too until someone brought it up, and then I was like: Oh, man. I keep hoping that not only is Nathan alive, but the story of how he survived is actually twisty and interesting not a plot hole. I may be a bit of a dreamer. *g*
I feel much the same way you do. Season one felt really uneven, but there were relationships I did really care about, pretty much the same ones you've named. Petrellis. Claire and her dad. Claire's relationship to the Petrellis. Hiro and Ando. The dynamic between Mohinder and Sylar. Instead of building on that, they spit up all those relationships for most of the season. They introduced way too many new characters when the story couldn't really support all the characters from the first season. The pace was plodding at first and then everything just kind of whipped by.
Today, I've felt more convinced that Nathan won't be dead, but in some ways, it would be easier if he were. Then I could just stop watching without any regret.
Exactly! I really don't understand the decision not to build on any of the strengths from last season. Or to introduce so many new characters when the narrative could hardly support all the existing characters. Sadly, I don't think they understand what works and what doesn't work in their own story.
Today, I feel more optimistic that he survives. Maybe it was all a setup to see how far the Company/Mama Petrelli was willing to go. Maybe Nathan was wearing a bulletproof vest!
Today, I'm feeling more optimistic that Nathan survives. Or that it was all one big set up to how far the Company would go, and he was wearing a bulletproof vest the whole time. Or...something! *clings to Nathan*
Today, I've been feeling more optimistic that he survives. That maybe it was a set up all along, and he was even wearing a bullet proof vest. Just because...the magical healing blood is getting a little over done. But Nathan does need to live!
I was also baffled they didn't engage the characters from season 1 with each other more and then split them up for large portions of the time. They kind of did a Lost here in my opinion.
Yeah, I mean, I figure something has to be going on. I have a hard time buying that Noah would totally go in for whatever the Company wanted to do, even though he agreed to work for them to protect his family. I mean, he was working for them before in order to protect his family and he still did everything he could to thwart their will on the important things. And since Claire has already this season done the "turn away from Noah because of what he did for the Company," I can't see them repeating that plot so closely if she were to find out that he killed Nathan. There has to be some other issue in the mix.
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*throws Maya to wolves*
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Sorry about the suckiness.
I can't believe they'd kill their best character by far. That seems kind of dumb.
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I mean seriously? *Seriously*? Freakin' *Maya* gets to come back, but we lose *Nathan*? After a season where he barely got anything to do because we spent all that freakin' time with Maya and Alejandro?
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it seemed like such a setup to me that he'll be revived by Peter's Magical Blood later.
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... right?
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But tonight if Nathan is really dead then this show is probably over for me. The Nathan and Peter stuff was really the only part keeping my interest.
And on this episode I kept wanting to yell at peter to walk through the freaking wall! (I don't even think he tried)
But at least Monica survived I do like her.
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Plot holes= suckiness. So much can be accomplished without implementing plot holes. It's called being clever... and the genre exceptions of science fiction and fantasy. Come ON, peeps
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This season, they've managed to drop pretty much everything that I *did* like - such as the awesome Mr Bennet and his relationship with his daughter, the general awesomeness of Claire, Nathan, the kicky geek!team Hiro&Ando, and Ando (a sidekick essential to the Hiro plotlines who didn't have a singly superpower and was still indispensable).
I don't really like Claire too much anymore, which is a shame because I used to find her one of the few truly interesting, smart and sympathetic characters. Her boyfriend, I dislike heartily both as a character and as a plot device. Mr Bennet is also looking pretty bad. Ando is AWOL. Hiro is stuck doing... whatever (and I have the impression they got him away from Ando and threw him at a woman specifically to counter the idea that he and Ando might be an item - which I'd actually assumed was implicit canon). And in addition to boring stuff with characters I used to like that now just irritate me, there is even more ultra-boring stuff about characters I don't care a fig about.
*sigh*
It's just a pity, because in S1 I kept thinking that if they just did more with this plotline and this character and forgot about this and that other bit, it could really turn into a good show.
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*wails*
And was it Mr Bennett who shot him? It looked like him. If it was I'd rather he'd stayed dead, and I love Noah Bennett too.
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On the other hand, you're right. It did look like a setup. Nathan practically had "assassinate me" tattooed on his head. And it would have been an interesting ploy for them to see how far the company (and, hey, their mother) was willing to go.
Maybe they'll surprise me, and Nathan survives because he was wearing a bulletproof vest! That would be so delightfully...normal. *g*
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Today, though, my pet theory is that it was all a setup to test how far the company would go, and Nathan was actually wearing a bulletproof vest. That would just be so delightfully normal. :)
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Today, I'm feeling more hopeful that Nathan survives. I'd love it if the whole press conference thing was a set up to see just how far the company/their mother would go. And Nathan was actually wearing a bulletproof vest! That would be so delightfully...normal.
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Today, I've felt more convinced that Nathan won't be dead, but in some ways, it would be easier if he were. Then I could just stop watching without any regret.
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