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To quote Dean, why did it have to be clowns? *shudders* My father once took me to the circus when I was a kid, just the once, because I shrieked and cried in terror at the clowns. There's a reason why John Wayne Gacy dressed up like one, peoples! *shudders again* So I did find the idea of an evil clown scary, and yet the plot was still full of holes. Why didn't the clown kill the kids, too? That question gets asked, but never answered. Why couldn't adults see the bad guy when he was a clown, but they could when he was the blind knife-thrower? *puzzles*

Oh, well, whatevers. It's not like I watch for the plot anyway. And damn, the brothers just tore my heart out. That scene where they're burning John's body...God. Both boys' faces are all battered, reminding us of everything they've been through, and they both look like they want to cry, but of course, won't. Can't. As an aside, one of the many, many reasons that I'm so glad I'm a woman is that you can cry when you need to. Can you imagine what it would be like to hurt and not be able to get it out? To have to keep all the difficult feelings inside and have them cut you and it all start to fester? Honestly, sometimes I don't know how men manage to live as long as they do.

Okay, aside over, I thought that both Sam and Dean's reactions to John's death were spot on and affecting. Dean would be a stoic simmering pot of rage, and Sam would try to fix what was wrong between them after death when it was all too late. Sam's continuing to ask Dean if he's all right, and the way Dean won't answer, and finally lashes out at Sam, and then looks like hell afterwards encapsulates what's so poignant about these boys, how much they truly care for one another, and yet how difficult it is for that care to translate into any sort of comfort. They're an interesting contradiction in that they're so elementally connected, so fierce in their attachment, and yet in some ways they really don't get one another at all.

Then after that difficult moment, they both try to lighten the mood, teasing each other a little, and we get to see that sometimes they do get it. Awwww, boys!

I liked Ellen and Jo well enough, Ellen better than Jo, but then, women are just more interesting to me in stories than girls. Unless the girl happens to be Buffy or Veronica Mars. Also, that actress used to play a police lieutenant or something like that on some show I watched, and there's a quality about her that I just like. I would find it so much more fascinating if Dean had a thing with her, because he feels pretty sure his father was involved with her, and it's a twisted, tormented way of trying to be close to his dad again, while at the same time there's a spark of anger, as irrational as it is, that there was someone for his father besides his mother, and that anger adds a hot edginess to their relationship, which is part convenience, part comfort, part searching for something neither of them can ever get back.

But, hey, this is the CW, so it's going to be the cute young blonde girl. I really liked that actress when she was on Veronica Mars, liked that she started out being a sweet young thing, and developed edges. I hope as her character develops on Supernatural that we get to see more dimensions to her. At the same time, I think I found her scenes with Dean so uninspiring because Dean really is a man's man (I don't mean that in the gay way!) and he's just uninteresting to me with women. I don't think Dean has any idea how to connect with women. I'm sure he's never had a female friend. He's always playing a role with women, either the smarmy horndog or the hero coming to the rescue. Even with Cassie, I didn't get a sense of Dean being authentic. It's really only with other men, with his father and Sam and Bobby, etc., that he seems in his natural element. It's another way in which he and Sam really are opposites, because Sam seems at his most comfortable with women, seemed to really connect with Jessica and Sarah and even with Meg in that first episode that we saw her, in that conversation they had in the bus station. All of this is a long-winded way of saying that I'll be interested to see what they do with this relationship between Dean and Jo. I think they have some real challenges ahead of them to make it work, simply because of who Dean is.

On a fangirly side note, I would LOVE to see Sam get all jealous and "you can't take my brother away from me" on Jo. Hee.

The final scene between Sam and Dean (and the Impala!) broke my freakin' heart. I've read a few reviews where people think Dean's last look, after Sam has gone, is really angry, like he blames Sam. I thought he looked regretful, because he said what he said in part because it was true, and in part because he's just so damned angry, about everything and at everyone, and Sam's the closet to him, so he took it out on him by saying the one thing he knew would hurt Sam more than anything else. I read his taking the tire iron to the Impala as anger directed at himself, because he's tearing up something that's very important to him, and maybe also a certain anger at their fucked up lifestyle that's led them to this place.

I think Dean's anger that Sam is choosing now to be the good son is layered. Dean loves his dad, so there is anger at Sam for never being able to get along with him. But I also think there's a part of Dean that respects that Sam had to be his own person and doesn't want him to suddenly turn into a yes-man to their father's memory. For me, that ambivalence also comes through in the conversation about whether Sam is going back to school or not. On the one hand, Dean sounded kind of guardedly hopeful. On the other hand, he seemed almost...disappointed. Dean isn't the same gung-ho, let's kill some evil things, pick up the family business guy he was in the first episode. He's seen too much of the toll this life takes, has tasted the futility of going up against this power they really don't know how to fight, and I think there's a protective part of him that would like to send Sam back to Stanford. Even if there's also a part of him that clings to the last family tie he has and wants Sam to stay with him.

Okay, now for speculation about the future. No spoilers here, and please don't comment with any. Thanks!

I may actually die from wanting to know what John whispered to Dean. There are so many possibilities. Of course, the most obvious one is that it's the secret about Sam and the other kids like him. But maybe it has to do with the deal John. Maybe he's going to hell, becoming a demon, and he was warning Dean not to trust him if he ever sees him again. Maybe he wanted Dean to burn his body, so he wouldn't come back as a demon. Maybe it was some kind of insight into how to kill the demon. Maybe it was that they have a sister out there somewhere. Heh.

The one thing I really hope they don't do is make either Sam or Dean not John's son. They did such a great job of constructing this fascinating relationship among the three of them, and to me, making Sam the spawn of some demon, or making John a demon turned good, and Dean the "normal" son of Mary's first husband, or something like that, would be such a cheap mindfuck. I honestly don't think they will do that. They haven't shortchanged the family dynamic before, and I'm going to trust that they won't do it in the future.

The whole thing about the kids like Sam and Max really is a mystery to me. I mean, Sam's powers are pretty feeble at best, and he's so very normal in so many ways. Max, too, confuses me, because while he used his powers for harm, it was all very personal, aimed at people who had hurt him. He didn't seem to have any epic evil ambitions. And why kill their mothers? What does that accomplish? Even if Sam was half demon what would be the point? *doesn't know the answer*

Next week, we get to see Dean go all "let my brother go" when the other hunter pulls a knife on him. Yay! Dean being the protective big brother...that just never gets old for me.

Date: 2006-10-06 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quinnponders.livejournal.com
I thought he looked regretful, because he said what he said in part because it was true, and in part because he's just so damned angry, about everything and at everyone, and Sam's the closet to him, so he took it out on him by saying the one thing he knew would hurt Sam more than anything else.

YES! Thank you. I have seen so many people think the look was one of anger and it has been making me crazy.

Date: 2006-10-06 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
*nods* I really didn't feel that Dean was specifically angry at Sam in this episode. Just that he was pissed off at the world that his father died, understandably. And Sam really opens a vein in that last conversation. It would just be *cold* if Dean was angry after that.

Date: 2006-10-06 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosmic.livejournal.com
I would find it so much more fascinating if Dean had a thing with her, because he feels pretty sure his father was involved with her, and it's a twisted, tormented way of trying to be close to his dad again, while at the same time there's a spark of anger, as irrational as it is, that there was someone for his father besides his mother, and that anger adds a hot edginess to their relationship, which is part convenience, part comfort, part searching for something neither of them can ever get back.

Guh. --see, I was desperate for some Dean/Ellen porn and this, this paragrph is just that. *dies from hotness*

Date: 2006-10-06 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
I think it would be SO hot if there were some Dean/Ellen action. The older woman angle is...very interesting. :)

Date: 2006-10-06 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amberlynne.livejournal.com
Yeah, that last scene, I didn't see it as him being angry with Sam, so much as at himself, his dad, the whole damn world. Sam is the one person he has left, the one person he can protect and keep safe, and yet Dean cannot stop hurting him because he is full of so much anger and hurt himself. I mean, Sammy completely breaks right there in front of him and lays his heart out there and Dean says nothing. Not one word. That's...ouch.

My favorite part about the stuff with Jo is what it said about where Dean is right now. He's so broken, he can't even find the energy to be "that guy" that he always is when he meets a pretty girl. I think part of it is that he's so angry at himself and afraid to let go of that, that the idea of getting close to someone, even just physically, and not feeling that pain and grief for a few moments is something he just can't even comprehend. I don't think he believes he deserves to be comforted in any way at this point, and that breaks my heart into a billion little pieces.

Date: 2006-10-06 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
I mean, Sammy completely breaks right there in front of him and lays his heart out there and Dean says nothing. Not one word. That's...ouch.

*cries just thinking about it* And the way Dean does that painful swallow thing and the look on his face after Sam walks away, you can tell he *wants* to say something, but he just...can't. So he deals with frustration the only way he knows how. Man. These Winchesters are so beautifully hurty.

I don't think he believes he deserves to be comforted in any way at this point, and that breaks my heart into a billion little pieces.

I think you're right about that. God, that's sad. Poor Dean!

Date: 2006-10-06 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahaliem.livejournal.com
I would find it so much more fascinating if Dean had a thing with her, because he feels pretty sure his father was involved with her, and it's a twisted, tormented way of trying to be close to his dad again, while at the same time there's a spark of anger, as irrational as it is, that there was someone for his father besides his mother, and that anger adds a hot edginess to their relationship, which is part convenience, part comfort, part searching for something neither of them can ever get back.

Oh yes!

Date: 2006-10-06 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
I think it would be so hot! And tormented. Just the way I like my Winchesters. :)

Date: 2006-10-06 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahaliem.livejournal.com
I can just imagine them having hard, hot sex with almost no conversation or kisses. Afterwards, Dean collapses on her and pretends to be more tired and out of breath than he really is so that for a few minutes she can hold him and offer him some comfort.

Date: 2006-10-06 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenillypo.livejournal.com
I'm counting the hours until the dirty/bad/wrong Ellen/Dean fic starts showing up. Counting them, I say!

Then after that difficult moment, they both try to lighten the mood, teasing each other a little, and we get to see that sometimes they do get it. Awwww, boys!

I loved that moment, too, after Sam gets off the phone with Ellen, and they have this whole unspoken apology. That right there told me that Dean's anger wasn't really directed at Sam. He's just the easiest target, and he just. Keeps. Poking.

I could quote your entire post here, because I think you hit the nail right on the head with just about everything, but I'll restrain myself. *g*

I do think you're especially right about Dean not blaming Sam. I think Dean blames himself. I think he feels helpless, and frustrated, and scared, but of course he can't share any of that with Sam because that's the stuff he protects Sam from. And now he's got this other huge secret to keep from him (AND OMG, IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY NOT KNOWING!) and that's weighing on him too...the boy's gonna blow. It's only natural.

Date: 2006-10-06 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
And now he's got this other huge secret to keep from him (AND OMG, IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY NOT KNOWING!) and that's weighing on him too...the boy's gonna blow. It's only natural.

Oh, God! That's so true. It's ironic really that in that last conversation between John and Dean John apologizes for the burden he put on Dean when he was a kid, and then he lays one last burden on him with that whispered secret. Man. Dean just tears my heart out. He and Sam both do.

Date: 2006-10-06 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kendermouse.livejournal.com
The whole thing about the kids like Sam and Max really is a mystery to me.

i have some theories about that if you're interested. No spoilers, just some "ramblings" of a mousey mind looking for some "understanding" about the whole thing.

Jensen and Jarred just blew me AWAY in this ep. The level of non-verbal and subdued but powerful interactions with each other just about TORE MY DAMN HEART OUT! ::sobs:: And the cinematography just ADDED to the poignancy of it all. I was SO VERY impressed. I'm thinking CSI:Vegas is gonna be watched on tape for me this season as i am COMPLETELY hooked on the Boys.

I'm thinking there's something about the type of demon they mentioned the "clown" being that explains the "kid" thing, but i haven't had a chance to check it yet. The mythos sounded vaguely familiar as a India-Indian vampire myth but i'm not remembering the particulars. I'm glad i'm not the only one with the "John Wayne Gacey" connection. ::shivers:: i don't NORMALLY have a problem with clowns (My dad collects them and i grew up surrounded by figurines and such of the "hobo clown" and Emmet Kelly) but the one from this ep just CREEPED ME! ::shiver:: I think the reason he wasn't "visible" to the parents was that he would "go invisible" after the children had seen him to keep the parents off guard. He was a CREEPY looking clown and i think the parents would have warned the kids off had they seen him. (Just speculation on my part)

re: Ellen and Jo. I Liked them. Poor Dean. "I hope that's a shotgun." ::giggle:: I have some suspicions about Ellen and John... and possibly about Jo, but i'm reserving judgment until we've seen more of them. ::grin:: LOVE Ash. TOO MUCH FUN! And such a good potential foil for Dean. ::snerk::

This season should prove interesting. They're building some wonderful mysteries and i can't wait to see where they go with things. I don't think they're gonna do the "one of the boys isn't really John and Mary's son". The writing has been too good for tPtB to take such a cheap out. ::Knock on wood:: Like i said, i have some theories about what may be coming and what John said to Dean and what Dean may be facing in the time to come. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

peace and happy Winchester thoughts,
the kendermouse

Date: 2006-10-06 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
*nods* I totally agree about the acting. Jensen and Jared both brought their A-game. What they didn't say was as affecting as what they did.

Re: the mystery surrounding Sam. Yes, I also tend to believe they wouldn't make either of them not John and Mary's child. It's just so trite, and they've never done anything trite with the family dynamic.

Hit me with your theories! I'm interested to hear them.

Date: 2006-10-06 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kendermouse.livejournal.com
ok. i just finished the babble on my "theories" in my lj. Check it out and tell me what you think.

here (http://kendermouse.livejournal.com/103426.html) (if i did the link thing right)

and i'm SO GLAD i'm not the only one who thought Dean WANTED to say something to Sam in that last scene but was holding back.

peace,
the (nervous now) kendermouse

Date: 2006-10-06 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kendermouse.livejournal.com
OOPS. SPOILER WARNING FOR SERIES AND FIRST TWO EPS OF SEASON TWO! (didn't realize that it went to the one WITHOUT the cuts - sorry)

km (the lj/internet speedbump)

Date: 2006-10-06 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audrarose.livejournal.com
First? I run to your lj every Friday morning. love your meta. *kisses*

Oh, well, whatevers. It's not like I watch for the plot anyway

uh, yes. so with you, there. My summation of last night's plot is: Dean. In a t-shirt. Working on a car. Plus clowns.

Dean that respects that Sam had to be his own person and doesn't want him to suddenly turn into a yes-man to their father's memory

yes, yes, yes! That was my first reaction, too! The oh, now you want to hunt motive is there, but I think Dean knows this isn't Sam talking, and he needs Sam to be who he always has been, now more than ever.

The last scene destroyed me, too. Plus now he needs to find a new trunk.

Jo as their sister? Woah. You know, he did compare Dean to Han Solo in the DVD commentary. That would be very, very interesting. I do hope that it turns out that John and Ellen were together in the past -- I hate the idea that John spent all that time alone.

Next week, wheeee!

Date: 2006-10-06 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
My summation of last night's plot is: Dean. In a t-shirt. Working on a car. Plus clowns.

Hee! That's perfect. It hits all the high points. *g*

I think Dean knows this isn't Sam talking, and he needs Sam to be who he always has been, now more than ever.

Exactly! I think Dean needs some little shred of stability right now. It's why he's rebuilding the Impala. And Sam acting like the lobotomized good son is not helping anything.

I can't wait for next week!!!

Date: 2006-10-06 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothabby.livejournal.com
Quote: I would find it so much more fascinating if Dean had a thing with her, because he feels pretty sure his father was involved with her, and it's a twisted, tormented way of trying to be close to his dad again, while at the same time there's a spark of anger, as irrational as it is, that there was someone for his father besides his mother, and that anger adds a hot edginess to their relationship, which is part convenience, part comfort, part searching for something neither of them can ever get back.

Hell yes, spot on!! I just said something like that in my own journal just now, before reading this one. I totally agree with you, very well said.

Date: 2006-10-06 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
Oh my God! I think that would be so hot. And in character, as well, for Dean. We already know he's got some mommy issues. I'm sure people will be writing some Dean/Ellen porn, and I look forward to it!

Date: 2006-10-06 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothabby.livejournal.com
Quote: And why kill their mothers? What does that accomplish? Even if Sam was half demon what would be the point? *doesn't know the answer*

I can somewhat answer that. The demon John made the deal with before he died (or was it the demon that beat Dean in Season 1's last ep?)said that the mothers just got in the way of taking over "children" like Sam. And that he killed Jess bc Sam was picking out rings to ask her to marry him, and this ruined the demon's plans. Hope that helps.

Date: 2006-10-06 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
Really? I SO don't remember that. God. I need to get tested for Alzheimer's or something.

Date: 2006-10-06 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothabby.livejournal.com
I remember now, it was sort of buried in that last ep in Season 1, where the guy in the apartment--he was taken over by a demon and was holding John captive--tells John that Jess died bc Sam was shopping for rings and she got in the way, and that the moms died because they got in the way.

Date: 2006-10-06 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
I'll have to watch that again. I was so keyed up the first time around it's not all the surprising I missed stuff. It's interesting that only women seem to get in the way. Papa Winchester was no threat to the plan? Dean? *wonders about that*

Date: 2006-10-06 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothabby.livejournal.com
Interesting thought. But I believe that is why the demon in the "In my Time of Dying" ep told John that he wanted John's death even more than he wanted the Colt. And the "son" demon in Season one's last ep tried to decimate Dean.

Date: 2006-10-06 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] storydivagirl.livejournal.com
1) The lady who played Ellen is the head of NTAC on 4400. She's used to seeing crazy things, isn't she?

2) Then after that difficult moment, they both try to lighten the mood, teasing each other a little, and we get to see that sometimes they do get it. Awwww, boys!

I think that was my favorite moment simply because it shows how those two are truly brothers. It's like me and my sister. We can have a huge fight with really hurtful things said and five minutes later we're joking and teasing each other again. It's not that the other stuff goes away, but that in the end, it won't matter because this person is your best friend and sibling. Gah. It's those small things that always make me love this show.

Date: 2006-10-06 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
Thank you! It's been killing me who Ellen was, and my memory sucks. I totally didn't remember that she was on The 4400.

It's those small things that always make me love this show.

Me too! I think that might have been my favorite moment, too. That and when they're driving to the roadhouse and are teasing each other about their respective fears. It really gets to the heart of their connection. And makes me love them so!

I can't wait for next week!

Date: 2006-10-09 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] untappedbeauty.livejournal.com
The woman who plays Ellen also played the police lieutenant in "The Evidence." That's what I recognized her from, anyway.

Date: 2006-10-06 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azewewish.livejournal.com
They're an interesting contradiction in that they're so elementally connected, so fierce in their attachment, and yet in some ways they really don't get one another at all.

Exactly right & that's EXACTLY why I love this show so much. The monsters may be off at times, but they've always nailed the family dynamic.

Date: 2006-10-06 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
The monsters may be off at times, but they've always nailed the family dynamic.

*nods* They really do. And it makes the show so compelling. *draws hearts around the Winchesters*

Date: 2006-10-06 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anitac588.livejournal.com
Great review Lenore!
(notice how I actually watched the eppy and I can discuss SPN with you? *G*)

I liked Ellen and Jo as well, and now that you mention it -- yeah, Ellen would be much more interesting choice. But then again, I wouldn't mind to see Sam developing some special connection with Ellen and then Dean is jealous. Hehehe. (Or is imagining Sam in a het relationship not allowed? I'm stil very new to this SPN.)

The one thing I really hope they don't do is make either Sam or Dean not John's son. That would not only be a cheap mindfuck, it'd be a cheap stupid soap and I seriously, seriously hope they stay with them as brothers.
Hey, that with whispering to burn his body is acutally a good idea -- imagine -- John said it, Dean doesn't do it, bc he wants to see his dad again and holds hope that he can somehow get his dad back. Then John does come back, all hot and evil (bc, seriously, if they don't bring Papa back, now that I started to watch SPN I am going to hit someone), and is all You should have listened to me, Dean. Hmm, upset Sam, evil!hot!sexy!Papa. Yum.

Date: 2006-10-06 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
Anita! I'm thrilled we're discussing the episode. Yay for you watching the show!

But then again, I wouldn't mind to see Sam developing some special connection with Ellen and then Dean is jealous.

Hee! I like that, too. Sam needs to get a little action. I don't think it's against the rules to imagine Sam in a het relationship. I mean, he's actually much better at it than Dean is. Poor Dean!

I love your scenario about what might have happened if Dean hadn't burned the body! Papa was so hot when he was possessed. Mmmm. I do honestly expect that he'll be back at some point, in some guise. *hopes for it really hard*

Date: 2006-10-06 08:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stormcloude
Wow, interesting! I took it that he was beating on the Impala as a substitute for Papa and being angry at Papa and the position John put him in and not having any other way to express it.

Date: 2006-10-11 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
That's interesting, too! Because John really has put Dean in an impossible position with that last whispered secret. I'm dying to know what he said!

Also, and it can't be said enough, poor Dean!

Date: 2006-10-06 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamtheenemy.livejournal.com
Great post! One small thing I could clarify for you though:

Why couldn't adults see the bad guy when he was a clown, but they could when he was the blind knife-thrower? *puzzles*

The adults can see him then because he wanted them to see him. He wasn't only visible to children, he just had the ability to make himself invisible at will. So he would get little kids to see him and then disappear before their parents could see him and be like, "Whoa, Timmy, stay away from the bad!creepy!clown. He is not your friend." Hope that helps at least a little. As for why he didn't kill the kids, I don't know. Maybe years working as a carnie gave him a soft spot for the little ones.

Date: 2006-10-11 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
Ah. Okay. Well that makes sense about why the adults didn't see him at the carnival and why they did when he was about to kill them.

Re: sparing the kids. I guess it could be a soft spot, although he didn't seem all that sentimental. Maybe little kid energy just isn't all that fortifying. Or something. Maybe I'll just be glad he didn't kill the kids and leave it at that. *g*

Date: 2006-10-06 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzie451.livejournal.com
hmm.... When I was talking about Sam being a half-demon last week, I wasn't actually thinking that he wasn't John and Mary's. I was thinking more along the lines of a mystical type possession thing, not a physical thing. I'm not sure how to explain it other than the way Cordelia (on Angel) was part demon with the visions, or when she was pregnant with Jasmine.

and *shudder* I'm in the 'clowns-creep-me-out' section too... The last time I went to the circus I was in elementary school, and I cried and freaked out over the clown when he or she was trying to talk to me. Never mind the time I accidentally saw parts of "It" on tv... *shudders again*

Honestly? I both liked and hated Jo. I liked her b/c Dean just didn't feel the need to mack on her, and I hated her b/c well, I didn't see *any* type of spark of life in her character. I liked the pizza and beer line, but the whole thing seemed pretty deadpan. Maybe they'll give her more stuff to do in the future, and I'll like her better.

Now, Ellen?!? Woo-hoo!! Put her with either Winchester and I'll pay to watch! I mean, uh, I won't turn off the tv. *bg* *She* had that spark of life that I enjoy in a character. And of course, I like to watch women with dark/red hair on tv better than blondes anyway (victoria pratt notwithstanding).

I saw the promo for next week and I cannot wait to see Dean take that knife-wielding guy *down* for even touching Sammy! You know now that Papa is gone with that "take care of Sammy/watch out for your brother" speech, it's gonna be On!

Date: 2006-10-11 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com
*nods* I'd sort of forgotten about Cordelia being part demon. I would hate that explanation for Sam being part demon less than I'd hate it if he were actual demon spawn. But I'd still...hate it. *clings to Sammy*

Someone else commented that they liked Jo because we really get insight into Dean's grief in that scene with her, the fact that he doesn't even have the energy to be that guy he usually is with girls, all smarmy and charming, and that is interesting. But I'm with you on Ellen. She really holds my interest.

And yay for Dean going all big brother in the next ep!!!

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