More of the badwrong

[scribblinlenore]

I posted to my web site the story I wrote to thank katkim for all her help. She wanted gratuitous Clark/Lionel sex. And I added some gratuitous angst.

(Seduction, NC-17)

Comments

ARGH!!!!

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, please, don't leave it like that! Sequel, sequel, sequel!!!! I want to see how both Clark and Lex deal with this!!!! Will Clark tell? Who will Lex blame, and if he does blame Clark at all, will he forgive him? How will they go one? How will this work?!!!

ARGH. Need. Sequel. Now.

Anyway, great story, just...God. Lionel is a BASTARD. ARGH.

Mara Celes

[mecurtin.livejournal.com]

You are twisted, evil, and wrong. But you are very good at it.

I don't think this story is really classified properly at the SSA: Angst, yes no question, but PWP? No, too much character development=plot. I would, however, call it an AU, because Lionel was blind all last summer and S2 Clark is too wary of him for it to be this coming summer. I find this reassuring.*g*

[katkim.livejournal.com]

I ::heart:: this story so much!! Would you believe it if I said I read it almost every other day?

Obsessed? Why, yes.

In fact, I've been meaning to write feedback for ages, but when I open it to refer to it, I end up reading it all over again! *g*

But I WILL! *determined*

Your personal slave, Katkim X

Re: ARGH!!!!

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Hi, Mara! I don't know about a sequel. But I feel fairly certain that Clark would probably tell. I think he'd really have to if he wanted a relationship with Lex. And I suspect Lex would forgive him, because he's Clark and he's a kid. As for what he would do to Lionel,well-- I'm sure it would be ugly. *g*

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

You are twisted, evil, and wrong. But you are very good at it.

I'm sure it doesn't say much about my character how pleased I was by this. *g* (Yay! I'm bad. I'm really bad!)

I don't think this story is really classified properly at the SSA

Yes, probably it isn't. I have the hardest time with those categories. And when I started writing this, it was supposed to be a PWP. And then it mutated. And I had no idea what it finally turned out to be.

I would, however, call it an AU, because Lionel was blind all last summer and S2 Clark is too wary of him for it to be this coming summer. I find this reassuring.*g*

I definitely had in mind that it takes place early on. Because if it didn't-- Well, that would *really* be twisted, evil and wrong. *g*

[devin-chain.livejournal.com]

Ouch. This hurts! Thanks so much for the wrong, tortured, achey, wonderful pain.

Devin Masochist

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Would you believe it if I said I read it almost every other day?

Awwww! That the best feedback of all. I'm glad you like it so much. But-- er, um. I may be a little concerned about you. *g*

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Hey, Devin. It's nice to know I'm not alone in my love of pain. *g* Glad you liked the story. :)

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[devin-chain.livejournal.com]

More than liked. I'm hooked, and like Katkim, I expect I'll revisit this story often.

[alee-gothphyle.livejournal.com]

Wow! You'd think I would be used to the utter, backstabbing treachery that is the MB by now, but you... you've just taken it to a whole new level. Poor Clark, already so insecure in his feelings for Lex, and then Bad!Daddy comes along and tells hims Lex isn't gay-- eeep!

The ending segment was just painfully poignant, with Clark realizing how Lex seems to look forward to his company and seeing the promises and invitations that were probably there all along. My heart breaks for Clark, and for Lex, but in my own, happy, denial-based mind I remained convinced in the end this all works out for the Clex.

Thanks for the great read, hon!

[nerodi.livejournal.com]

Lenore, girlfriend, you better watch out because you are *fast* becoming one of my favorite authors. Somehow I missed this story when it was up in your LJ, but I caught it tonight over on SSA and wow, wow, wow, um...wow. Uh, and wow again. Let's just say I really really REALLY liked this story. Um, yeah, hit more than one of my (not so secret) kinks. Heh, at one point I was like "Wait, was Lenore *inside* my head when she wrote this???" Dude, not only is the writing excellent, the Clark voice perfect (b/c damn he is so nervous all the time, and really he just wants to please!), but woah, it was hot hot hot, making me squirm in my chair hot. Um, I thought it was hot. *G*.

I'm a big fan of your stuff Lenore. Big fan.

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Oh, he's a very, *very* Bad!Daddy! *g* I'm so glad you liked the story, Alee. Thanks so much for letting me know!

My heart breaks for Clark, and for Lex, but in my own, happy, denial-based mind I remained convinced in the end this all works out for the Clex.

You know, that's exactly why I left it open-ended. I'm all for the denial, too. And I knew optimists like us would imagine their own happy ending. *smile*

[sheba-finesse.livejournal.com]

Wow!

I saw this fic first on the ClarkLexFic list. I don't normally like Clark/Lionel fic (okay, so I violently loathe Lionel and as a general rule hate any fic with him in it)

This I liked though. Correction, this I loved. You've managed to make a Clark/Lionel situation seem plausible, without resorting to the out-and-out rape that personally I can never see Lionel resorting to.

Congratulations. Keep it up. (Please!)

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Aw, Nerodi, you're so sweet. Thank you for all the pretty things you said. And, you know, it's really rather reassuring to hear I'm not the only one who gets such a thrill out of the badwrong Clionel. *g*

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I'm so glad you liked the story. And I know what you mean about Lionel. Magnificent Bastard doesn't even begin to describe him.

You've managed to make a Clark/Lionel situation seem plausible, without resorting to the out-and-out rape that personally I can never see Lionel resorting to.

I agree. Lionel is so creepily magnetic that I think he can get almost anyone to do almost anything without having to resort to force. And that's what I wanted to show.

[ms-hecubus.livejournal.com]

You've already heard what I think of it, but in case you forgot. Love it!

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Aw, thank you, Michelle! I'm so glad you like it. And thanks again for looking it over for me. I really appreciate it!

[katkim.livejournal.com]

WOW! Look at all the Clionel kinkers coming out the closet!!

*laughs* I KNEW I wasn't the only one out there!

*Gentle Poke* So how about that sequel? We, the public demands it! *g*

(And I really wonder if that girl has read it yet :) )

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

WOW! Look at all the Clionel kinkers coming out the closet!!

The woodwork is practically overflowing. We have enough to form our own support group-- er, I mean fan club. Yeah, fan club. That's it. *g*

*Gentle Poke* So how about that sequel? We, the public demands it! *g*

You know, I'm not against a sequel. Except, well-- I really don't know what would happen next. Would Clark tell? I go back and forth. Would Lex forgive him? Back and forth. The only thing I'm sure of is that if Lex ever found out Lionel would be taking another swan dive off the balcony. (Tee-hee)

(And I really wonder if that girl has read it yet :) )

You mean the hostile-feedback-girl? I'm sure I still have her email lying around here somewhere. I should send her a copy. ~smirk~ Writing Lionel is a really bad influence on me.

[katkim.livejournal.com]

Yeah, fan club. That's it. *g*
*nods* Yep. fan club. Because it's not like we have a problem or anything. Ahem.

You know, I'm not against a sequel.

Hey, you know I'm here if you every want to bounce any ideas off of someone :)

Personally, Clark and truth telling can't even be used in the same sentence. He may hate secrets and lies, but I think if he had a choice, the very nature of his character makes it very doubtful he'd volunteer it.

Would Lex forgive him if he found out? Hmm, that requires more thought because I feel Lex isn't a very forgiving person. He takes betrayal hard, especially emotional betrayal. But even then, his reactions tend to be more inwards than outwards. Take his reaction to Victoria sleeping with Lionel - we saw him shutting down rather than projected anything outwards towards anyone else, like anger, revenge etc.

And I guess you have to consider that Clark is a special case, because Lex has pretty much bent over backwards (insert smutty innuendo here!) to keep Clark on his pedestal. I mean, Clark has gotten away with a lot that others won't have. Yet, asking him for money, favours, taunting him isn't the same thing as having sex with Lionel...

Hmm, not sure.

(But, erm. In addition to Lionel's attempt to get a prefect 10 with his diving techniques...there will be more, um, gratuitous Clionel sex, won't there...?) *Hides*

Ooohhh....

[(Anonymous)]

Yay! Sequel talk! :)

Hmmm...I think I'd like to see a sequel JUST to see what Lex does to Lionel. (Well, ok, the Clex make-up sex, too, but that's a given.) I doubt it would be anything along the lines of death, though, or outright violence...that seems too crass and obvious, given Lex's history of more subtle reactions to his father. I think he'd find something more insidious, not to mention something that Lionel would have to live with, something he could gnash his teeth on. What that would be, I really don't know, but it would probably have to be something as precious to Lionel as Clark is to Lex...pain, pain, pain.

And yeah, I think Lex's initial reaction to Clark's new secret would be an explosive one, but then I think he'd remember that Clark is a kid, and really, that the kid's been rather traumatized by his GODDAMNED father. (Jeez, I HATE Lionel.) Not to mention he has an ingrained habit of forgiving Clark anything...

In any case, :: poke :: sequel?

:: big woobie eyes::


Mara Celes

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Personally, Clark and truth telling can't even be used in the same sentence. He may hate secrets and lies, but I think if he had a choice, the very nature of his character makes it very doubtful he'd volunteer it.

Yeah, I think you're probably right. And, my God, how do you make yourself say something like this:

"I had sex with your father. In your bed. Um-- Sorry!"

Would Lex forgive him if he found out?

Yes, I think that's the really hard question. If Lex were capable of forgiving anyone for such a grievous infraction, it would definitely be Clark. I'm just not sure if he's capable. And even if he is, I can't imagine that it wouldn't poison their relationship. Also, if I take the tact of Lex would forgive him because he's Clark and he's special, that's very similar to "Clean." And I've already been there, done that.

But something that does come to mind is a sequel set many years in the future. Clark and Lex have been a couple for a long time. Maybe they are at Lionel's house for dinner, something they do regularly, visiting the inlaws and whatnot. And that serves as a jumping off place for some inner Clark drama, cutting back and forth between past and present, examining what it's like to have to keep this secret, even after he's revealed all his others. To have to see Lionel as a routine part of his life. And remember, just as the MB promised he would, all those years ago.

I kind of like that. It puts a little twist on the whole Clark-Kent-secret-keeping thing.

What do you think?

Re: Ooohhh....

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Okay, you guys are really starting to talk me into the whole sequel thing. *smile*

I'll have to do some serious thinking about what might happen. (And more importantly, what we might be able to do to Lionel.) *eg*

Hey, thanks for the encouragement!

[oxoniensis.livejournal.com]

This hurt. It hurt to read, but my eyes wouldn't turn away. One of my standards for good writing is that it makes me think and provokes emotions, whether pleasant or painful ones, and this did both in full measure. This is still at the front of my mind a day after reading it, and I can clearly remember the stomach churning horror as Clark realised how he'd been duped. You had me sitting on the edge of my chair begging Clark not to be tempted, screaming at the evil that is Lionel when he took Clark to Lex's bed and sighing for both Lex and Clark by the end.

Now I just have to add my pleas for a sequel. A happy, non-evil one? Puhlease! :-)

Sequel talk! Yay!

[(Anonymous)]

I can kind of see that. However, I really doubt that it would stay a secret for any true length of time, considering that while Clark is a liar, he is a really BAD liar. He'd be the type to twitch every time that Lionel came around him, and Lionel would be the type to make obscure comments that would make Clark jump even higher and faster. Even if Lex didn't catch the references, or understand what made Clark jumpy, I think he WOULD question Clark about it, and the very manner of Clark's evasions would tell him the gist of what happened.

And once he understood that, I doubt he'd just be able to "let it slide," like he is doing now for Clark's secrets. After all, Lex already knows that there's something different about Clark...he's just letting it go. I don't think that he'd be able to do that with something involving Clark and his father...unless he channeled it into some other action, like a truly evil vengeance. (I want to see Lionel get his!!!) :P

So, I don't see Clark telling Lex, but within a year or two, Lex would find out. And I would LOVE to see the inner Clark drama of him watching all this happen....oh!

Oh! OH! An idea: all that above, but in the midst of Clark's "hide everything/evade everything" frenzy, Lex starts doing unrelated things that confuse Clark--so he just glosses over them as 'Lex-weirdness' because he's overly concerned with hiding the Lionel thing. And then, at the end, when Clark finally confesses or Lex tells him he knows, at the same time, Lionel has just fallen prey to whatever Lex planned. So, the entire time that Clark was worrying, he was already forgiven and Lex had already "avenged" the both of them.

That way, you're not retelling "Clean," because we're not going from Lex's POV. And really, Clark never has to UNDERSTAND why Lex has forgiven him, just that he HAS...so that story arc of RATIONALIZING "Lex forgives Clark anything" doesn't really need to be told again. It's only Clark's perspective, and Clark himself never understands. He's just grateful.

This way, you'd keep the inner Clark drama about seeing Lionel routinely and still keeping secrets from Lex, and your audience (ie--me, lol) wouldn't be heartbroken at the end!!! I need the happy, happy, happy.

So, how about that? :: enable, enable, enable!!!!! ::

Mara Celes

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Thank you so much for the kind feedback! I know this story wasn't easy to read. Writing parts of it made me feel kind of queasy, to be honest. So I really appreciate everyone who was willing to go to the dark side with me.

It's funny.I don't particularly like Lionel, but I do find him fascinating. And despite myself, attractive. I watched the affect he had on Martha (at least until she realized he was investigating her baby), and it made me think that Lionel could seduce anyone. Even Clark.

And that's why he's so scary. Brrr. ~shiver~

Now I just have to add my pleas for a sequel. A happy, non-evil one? Puhlease! :-)

~smile~ I'm definitely going to work on it. But the happy, non-evil part is hard!

Re: Sequel talk! Yay!

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Wow! Thanks for all the ideas. My head is swirling. I'll think on it some more and see what I come up with. But, no matter what, I promise to end on a positive note. :)

Re: Sequel talk! Yay!

[katkim.livejournal.com]

I really doubt that it would stay a secret for any true length of time, considering that while Clark is a liar, he is a really BAD liar.

I kind of disagree with this. Clark is not a bad liar. I think he's very good. Look at it from the other character's POV. Out of his friends and to some extent his family - how much do they really know about him that he doesn't volunteer himself?

*nods* there are times when Clark's face and nervousness gives him away, but these are times when he's surprised or pressed onto a corner. The other times, his face is blank. It's fannon that Lex wears masks, but on the show, I actually think it's the other way around. Emotions flicker across Lex's face all the time - Clark is the one who's blank (although this could be because of TW's acting skills. As much as I ::heart:: him, he's a little, erm, wooden!) *g*

I think he WOULD question Clark about it

*nods* He would question, but like you say, when Clark blanks him - he normally backs away. Clark is skittish and Lex doesn't want him to bolt, and so he doesn't push too hard. I think Lex would probably remain curious, but when it comes to the truth or Clark - Clark wins out.

[katkim.livejournal.com]

I'm going to have to think about this - be back later :)

Re: Sequel talk! Yay!

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

I'm home from work on a snow day. Whee! So I actually started writing this thing. And as I thought about it, I also felt that Clark could keep this secret if he really needed to.

I think secrets follow a typical trajectory. They're very hard to hide at the beginning. They get easier to keep over time. Until some distant point when the pressure just builds up too much and it all starts to crumble.

What I'm envisioning is that Clark's initial decision is to not tell what happened with Lionel and just to be friends with Lex. Maybe he confesses the big secret instead, a gesture to make up for the other secrets he's keeping, his love and the sex with Lionel, even though Lex won't realize that's what it is.

After a while though, he can't keep his love a secret anymore, either. And they start a relationship.

And then in the distant future, maybe ten years out, Lionel finally grows tired of the personal victory, and his insinuations become obvious enough that Lex figures it out.

There's a fight. A separation. Clark sleeping on Lois' sofa. Much angst. Pictures of Lex in the paper with some beautiful blond woman. More angst. And then news items turn up in the paper that show LuthorCorp is starting to unravel. Until finally it's in such bad shape that--yes, you guessed it--LexCorp acquires it for a song. And Lionel is sent packing in disgrace.

At the end of the story, Clark leaves work to find Lex leaning against one of his shiny cars, waiting for him. They take a walk, sit on a park bench, hash it all out. It's revealed that the blond bimbo was simply a means to an end. Lionel pulled the sleep-with-Lex's-girlfriend trick one too many times. Lex was able to pass along false information, much as he did with Victoria, and Lionel finally has his comeuppance, in the only way that can really hurt him.

The boys come to an understanding. And maybe it's not quite bright, shiny happiness. But it is love, and it does endure.

That's what I'm thinking. Thoughts?

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Cool. Thanks for helping!

Also, on a totally unrelated matter, what do you think about zines? Do you read them? Or do you prefer just to find stories on the Internet?

The reason I ask is that a couple of people have asked me to contribute stories for their zines, which is really nice. And I'm quite flattered. But I just don't know if I want to. Well, okay, so I go back and forth on it. On the one hand, it would be nice to see a story in print. But on the other hand, I like the immediacy of the Internet. (I'm all about the instant gratification!) And also, I like my stories to be free.

What's your take on the whole zine issue?

[katkim.livejournal.com]

Blurry reply, may not be answering your question, may not make sense. Forgive me :)

I use to subscribe to zines in my older fandoms - mainly because fanfics were scattered about the net and hard to find. But I think SV is a really well organsised fandom for archives - gen, het, slash, by character - we've got them all. And in plenty. So personally, I'm not sure whether SV zines have the same niche/audience that zines have in other fandoms have. I've gotten all my SV fanfic from the Internet.

And I think it really depends on the zine itself - I mean, they do differ. In the SV fandom I've only really heard about the 'Chloe' one (and this is where my memory goes...name? Haven't a clue and on the tip of my tongue...Argh. Nevermind, it'll come to me...) I don't read much Chloe fic myself, but the word from friends who do read Chloe fic, is that it's a good one :) I don't really know of any other SV ones. I would hesitate if I wasn't on the same wavelength, but if you're on the same page I would go for it.

Because working where I do, I really understand the thrill of seeing your name in print. You don't get the instant gratification as you do on the net, but seeing your name in black and white is a whole different buzz on it's own. I would contribute just to experience that alone.

On the other hand, Re: 'stories for free'. *nods* You see, this is what I like about the fandom on the net above all else, in particular the SV fandom - it's kind of like community and contributing to it rather than a commercial supply and demand aspect.

But is there any reason why you can't contribute to both? Besides from generating twice the number of stories :) Hmm, I guess it would be more work, which is a minus.

And Zine fics tend to be more 'polished' (not saying you're slap-dash *g*, but it takes it from fandom fun to a different level to some degree.) Just got to ask yourself if you're up for the challenge :)

I don't know, hon. I guess you just got to do what you think is best for you :)

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

Blurry reply, may not be answering your question, may not make sense. Forgive me :)

Doll, you always make sense to me. :)

In fact, you laid out the pros and cons really well. I'll have to give it some thought. Although, really, my first impulse was that I'd rather post to the Internet. I just hate telling people no when they've been so nice. But I think I'm going to have to do that.

I think. (No, I'm not extremely indecisive. Why do you ask? *g*)

Yay!

[(Anonymous)]

I love your sequel idea, and I'm so glad you're going with it! YAY!!!

Yeah, I think Clark would be able to keep the Lionel thing a secret from Lex if he decided to merely stay friends; it was just that I doubted he'd be able to do it if they got any closer. Whether or not we agree on Clark being a bad liar, we do see that Lex picks up on something and pushes at least a little. (The scene in "Ryan" comes to mind, when Lex asks Clark if he staged a single-handed prison break, to which Clark replies "I'm just lucky, I guess" or something along those lines, and Lex reacts in a VERY skeptical manner.) But if they're still just friends, I think Lex would let it go.

It's just that in a romantic relationship, I could see Lex getting idealistic and thinking that Clark should trust him if they are actually "together," that if Clark didn't, they should have just stayed friends and not gone the extra step. And so I could see him pushing, and the secret being so NEW to Clark...I just couldn't see them in a relationship together and it not coming out somehow. Especially with how...grabby and suspicious...Lex gets when it comes to his romantic relationships and his father.

But yeah, if Clark decides to just stay friends at first, that solves the problem. And so by the time they DO get together, the secret is old hat, and thus easy to keep.

So...yay sequel!!! I can't wait!!!

As to zines...I'm negitive on them. I'm all about the instant gratification, first of all, and I hate to wait around for the zine to come out. Also, I'm cheap, and I don't want to pay for it if its not a freebee. But the main thing, I think, is that most zine stories that I've read never become mainline topics for discussion. They don't go through the free for all of reactions that the normally posted stuff gets. For example, I don't think either Koi's "Mercy" or Te's "Past Grief" or Jenn's "Handful of Dust" would have gotten as much controversy, discussion, or general acclaim if they weren't easily available to everybody.

So, I just like open archives and no zines. But that's just me! ^_^

Mara Celes

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[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

So, I just like open archives and no zines. But that's just me! ^_^

Yeah, I think that's me, too. I wrote a nice note politely declining, even though I was very flattered they asked me.

[ix-tab.livejournal.com]

So hey, a comment 5 years after the fic was posted! Hurruh?

I first found this fic in 2003 and read and re-read voraciously. It hits all of my kinks head on. Insane really.

And then I totally lost who the fic was written by and what it was called. I originally re found it by googling Clark/Lionel swimming suit. I am not even kidding.

But now I know who wrote it, and I just have to say thank you, because this remains my favourite Smallville fanfic ever, and even after 5 years it still kicks me in the gut. It's awesome.

Thank you for writing this!

[ix-tab.livejournal.com]

Oh and also, I am going to friend you so I don't lose track of you again! Hope that's cool

[scribblinlenore.livejournal.com]

You know what? It's fantastic to hear five years later that someone liked a story! *g*

Thanks so much for letting me know!